Nice post, Kris. You're fightin' the good fight.
Oh my god, you actually wrote "you're". It's like receiving an award whenever I see "you're" on the internet. You just made my day.
Andy Lambert is a douche.
Saw the same altered image on a friend's wall and shared the original image and this post with her.
yup, i saw an image from domics with its text translated to spanish and no author. So I exposed them and put the author's page.
Same here. Also linked to parts 2 and 3.
Mind if I share this? I'll have to alter it a bit … and put in my own work … on my tumblr.
I miss Time Friends.
and this is why the Gov need to "patrol" the internet for Copywrited material and block and remove so said infringments
You have got to be shitting me. You can't honestly be this dumb?
Maybe we should put the government by your side 24/7 to make sure you don't rape or kill anyone.
You mean a group of specially selected people policing the country? What a terrible and dystopian idea!
So your solution is for artists to spend any spare time patrolling the Internet for stolen pieces of their own work and either sending letters requesting takedowns or failing that filing lawsuits, instead of spending time creating art in roder to pay their rent ? Is that your solution or do you have another solution you haven't shared yet ?
Fight back with your own take on "Buttprints In The Sand"
The worst part is probably replacing your handwriting with Comic Sans.
I understand the hate for Comic Sans about as much as I understand the love for Gangnam Style.
I have no understanding at all.
THANK YOU. I agree. I can understand comic sans is not the most professional of fonts….but there are worse ones….so why the hate.
(except I also enjoy gangnam style)
So Andy Lambert, a believer of some conviction, stole somebody's work. Dude's going to whichever hell he believes in.
Plus, you know, altering someone's creative endevour is just kind of douchey.
No, no, you don't understand. He's been "saved" already. He's going to heaven. Period. See once you're "saved" you'll never go to hell no matter what you do, you've just gotta say "I'm sorry" without doing penance and you're good to go. Hooray evangelism, it's the "feel good while being a dickbag" religion.
I'm pretty sure he's a Quaker; they're not evangelicals and they don't do the "saved" vs. "not saved" thing. Still a douche, though.
Obviously, you've never heard of Evangelical Friends International (EFI). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Friends_…
I grew up in a Quaker church affiliated with the Northwest Yearly Meeting. EFI Quakers aren't like the stereotypical meeting house Quakers where the men sit on one side and the women sit on the other and they wait quietly for the Holy Spirit to inspire them to say something. EFI Quakers are more like Free Methodists, but without baptism and communion.
Unlike stereotypical Quakers, the majority of EFI Quakers aren't strictly pacifist. Most will try to encourage their friends and coworkers to go to church with them — i.e., evangelicalism — and they encourage their kids to do the same at school. (I was often asked what I would say to Jesus at the time of my death if I had squandered any opportunities to convert my non-believing friends to Christianity.)
So yes, EFI Quakers do believe in being "saved" and "not saved." However, unlike many other denominations, they are willing to allow their members to transfer to other Protestant denominations without making much of a stink about it. But they will do their best to talk you out of converting to Catholicism, Mormonism or the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon both came out of EFI churches. Neither of them fit the mould of the stereotypical Quaker, but they were both fairly typical for EFI Quakers. (I was a kid when Nixon was president and about 80% of the members at my church — all but the most liberal ones — just LOVED that hard-drinking, foul-mouthed, racist, paranoid old Cold Warrior.)
To be fair, he may have found it already altered. For some reason, certain sites, like Reddit, like things without credit, because sharing your own work with other people is "karma-whoring". Or maybe it reminds them that they're generally the parasites of the internet, feeding off of other's creativity.
That site is like the a cross between an inbred commune and high school.
That religious lot are all the same – that guy St Mark? His gospel was a total ripoff of St Luke's stuff…
Maybe Time Ruiner went back and messed things up, perhaps he was tired of proper attribution.
(In all seriousness, though, I agree 168%.)
I've had this happen too. The text taken out, reshared, and it got like thousands of reddit upvotes. Why do people love stolen comics so much?
I was just thinking of how this was similar to the dice joke. I remember when I first heard of Dysfunctional Family Circus, and how it exploded all over the 'Net. It's always going to happen, since the days of Xerox Abuse, when Wite-Out and a photocopier was all it took to tack a dirty version of a comic strip by the watercooler. Technology just makes it easier for more boneheads to be boneheaded. There should at least be a byline for you guys about the original art
let's use reddit to share how incredibly douchy these morons are.
it's probably already there, somewhere, though.
Currently the number two post on /r/atheism.
I wonder what happened to "thou shalt not steal?"
In my experience, some of us gentiles think that we can genuinely follow the God of Israel without taking His commandments very seriously. And that would be an entirely wrong way of thinking.
Dude, that was a total ripoff of the comment before you. With no attribution either.
Goodness, Andy Lambert seems to be a John Smith of Facebook. So many people with that name.
You might think a Pastor (https://www.facebook.com/andy.lambert3 http://www.forbushfriends.org/site/ks/contactus.asp) would have a little more sense than to steal someone's art; or to be diplomatic about it: a little more sense as to what might be considered theft, but you would be wrong.
The guy is a senior pastor who I guess skipped the whole commandments class at divinity school.
I… I don't even…
Hmm, maybe you could have attributed Mary Svenenson? (the author of the poem you're riffing on…) Maybe a 'tip of the hat' ala Zippy. http://www.footprints-inthe-sand.com/index.php?pa…
I saw it on facebook and did not know at all about the controversy before I shared it. How can I make this right? Can I go back and put the credit and your web site in the comment section? I would rather give credit than remove it altogether.
I think the person I got the post from made the same innocent blunder I made and got it from someone else, Those of us sharing it are not trying to do injustice. I assure you it was an innocent mistake.
While sharing without attribution is pointless, rude, horrible, etc, etc….I have to admit that I feel like that comic would have actually worked better without the third panel.
I'm afraid I think Kris' original is far better and funnier.
I'm confused; at what point did BuzzFeed get ahold of this?
I definitely want to send him so irritated person-of-faith to person-of-faith email, yeah. What a dope.
It's too bad, Kris. But unfortunately this is the web nowadays. I think perceptually, people simply see this as a "stick figure drawing" – regardless of the work and thought behind it. There's no moral issue with people stealing it as such. And I'll bet you many people think because they changed it, and it's "only a stick figure drawing" that it's a perfectly okay thing to do.
I think unfortunately this is probably the down side of doing a simple gag-type strip that you can quickly publish ideas with. And unfortunately, people are probably going to continue to steal things like this, regardless of any attribution rights. Honestly what average person knows/cares about such things anyway?
Apparently yours was not "uplifting" enough.
For some people putting out an "uplifting christian message" is a higher concern than all others, as crazy and contradictory as that seems.
Plagiarism is small potatoes. After 9/11 there were a number of con artists who made their living pretending to be survivors, giving uplifting talks at churches, and then asking for money. Even when the churches were made aware that the speakers were con artists, many of them refused to cancel the appearances, because they had an "uplifting christian message".
Obviously, not all Christians are like this, but there's a weird small minority that value this kind of thing above all else, even honesty.
I had this discussion with a friend, in that he attributed quotes to Ben Stein that HE NEVER MADE. When I pointed this out, he said 'the message was all that mattered, not who said it or didn't say it'
Context matters twice as much! Silly people
"I saw this cartoon on a friend's facebook and tweeked the wording." – https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101511757…
"I saw this cartoon on a friend's facebook, took a photo of it with my phone, cut out the third panel and all attribution, and tweaked the wording."
Fixed. Mr. Lambert has no need to thank me.
I've noticed a lot of Far Side comics that have been remade on the internet, without credit.
he did give the source in the comments, but it feels awkward that he tweaked the wording… and that it was comment #6.
(you may have to scroll to find it)
Just to be devil's advocate, but given what meme culture has become, some people just see material online as a 'template' they can build on.
Also just speculating, that the credit was removed, because it was a 're-interpretation' of what those drawings were.
Knowyourmeme, whilst does help increase the popularity of such a phenomena, it does do a fairly good job of recognizing the origins of where these ideas came from.
I feel your pain, and I've called people on blatant chainsawsuit abuse numerous times.
However, I'd just like to point out the date on this tweet of mine:
messed yo. Keep your chin up.
Holy dang! Seriously, I am incredibly sorry for asking now! I feel absolutely terrible, I didn't mean to discount Kris' work!
I'm reporting myself asking for this whole string to be removed.
I can't TELL you the number of times I saw a comic on a joke site or facebook and I wanted to find out what it was but the poster decided to crop the edges to remove the author and web address for GOD knows what reason.
When I enjoy a single comic, I figure I might enjoy more. But nope, people gotta be douche knockers.
the second image is better than the first one. WHY GIVE CREDIT TO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THAT GOOD ANYWAYS, the original work, with the url didn't make it cause it is not the second one.
Whatever your opinion of something is, you still have to admit that there wouldn't/couldn't be a second one without the first one, because the second one was blatant thievery.
There was a whole series of this gag during that week, and every one was comic gold. Chainsawsuit is quality in every panel.
You should always, always give appropriation. It doesn't matter what the quality of the work is. That's like saying it's ok to re-post Transformers III to YouTube just because it was a terrible movie. That doesn't make a lick of sense.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I love your comic though! So that's somebody at least!
Did you credit the original Footprints author? Because without someone else's poem, you would have no premise for your joke–sounds like a kettle/pot situation. BTW, I definitely shared your work on Facebook, after I found it on Google–I guess maybe sign the funny part next time?
I have credited her on twitter and Facebook, yes. I can readd it to the other page as well.
The world would be a somewhat inconvenient place if I had to say "by the way, Star Wars was created by George Lucas" every time I happened to mention lightsabers.
Big difference between a parody and copyright infringement…
What Kris did falls under Parody/Satire, and riffs off a well-known, familiar work. The punchline for that series of strips is where the screaming tangents from that familiar occur. Plus, it's Original Artwork that illustrates the jokes, which is where the whole changing the text issue comes in. It kind of becomes self-serving on the part of the alter-er (maybe not a word, but it's near where I was aiming). Or seems so, without at least a, "original strip from Chainsawsuit, used without permission" pasted in somewhere. Some reader might assume the poster did the artwork, and that's the real rub right there.
FYI, I nipped this in the bud on my facebook feed. I did only see it once, but I told them not to share like that again. If art doesn't have a name attached, it shouldn't be shared imo.
I did this once myself. I reposted a pic from the local online newspaper, but forgot to credit the artist. I was soon reminded by my friend who works at the paper. It was HIS picture! I now always credit the author if I post someone else's picture or quote.
By removing your credit information, the guy violated the DCMA. You should inform the jerk he could be going to jail for a long time.
Do you really not understand why they modified it?
1. They changed the meaning to be religious.
2. They removed the joke you made at the end as it doesnt relate to their message.
3. They probably wouldnt want chainsawsuit on a comic strip they have made about God.
Get pissed off that they stole and modified your work, not that they didn't post the original.
Man, your right, he should have titled this 'sharing and attribution' and then mentioned how artists should get credit for their work…
I absolutely loathe the idiots who hack up comics like that, it's pathetic and done by untalented hacks who couldn't create original content if their life depended on it.
I actually have a mutual friend with this guy. Sent him a little note telling him stealing is a sin.
You're doing the right thing Kris. We can't stop idiots from doing idiotic things, we can't stop thieves from stealing, but we can support the proper attitude. I do not really need a book or other merchandise but I will gladly make a donation of equivalent value in support of your faith in us and your enduring tolerance for dimwits.
What time did you put this comic up? The first comment here is "20 hours ago". Lamberts gives you credit in a comment "17 hours ago" (according to facebook). Coincidence? :)
You know what you should do? Redirect links to the footsteps comic to this comic instead :D
Saw the butchered version on a Facebook post by a local Christian radio station and felt the need to hunt down the original author. I posted a link to your original in the comments for their post, but I don't know how many people will see it.
It so sad this happens to so many artists who do not consent to have their work shared. Their are people who put content out hoping for it to be shared, remixed, redone, etc., but people need to take the time to find the author's intent and seek permission before they do anything to someone's work.
Whats the URL to your site?
One of my facebook friends just posted the altered image, so I commented with the link to this page.
Dear Kris, Please accept my sincere apology. I saw the post on a friend's post in a version that did not have the third panel or your name attached to it. I liked the cartoon and naively and thoughtlessly re-worded it. I thougt it was something cute that a handfull of my friends would get a kick out of. I should have done more research and thought it through. Non of this is an excuse but I just wanted to set it in context. I was thoughtless and I am sorry. I have learned a lesson from this and will be more careful in the future. I have posted a link to the original and I hope this will steer some interest in your work.
Well, as you christians say, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
Wow! I didn't realize this comic was actually written by Mitt Romney! You're just another money-grubbing 1-percenter who wants to shut down the free and open Internet. Art should be free and accessible to everyone, not just the rich.
This is a joke, right? Some sort of absurdly meta comment? Kris is hardly rich. He's a web cartoonist for pete's sake.
I wouldn't say it was a compliment, it was an actual criticism.
i have to admit that i feel like your comment would have actually worked better without the second sentence.
get off kris' nuts, pelvis.
3rd panel wasn't that great. "disposable internet humor." don't take the perceived quality of the work so seriously.
Hey what do you know, the original gives NO credit to Mary Stevenson's work you ripped off either. Its ok for you to change others work and not give credit, but when other people do it to you, then theres a problem huh?
This is actually pretty ironic. Kris is complaining someone stole his work and changed the meaning of it, when he did the exact same thing and stole Mary Stevensons "Footprints in the Sand" and changed that, all the while giving no credit or reference to the original author.
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