i just want you to think about it a little, is all
Even with a 140 character limit, you can still talk like normal humans.
Cool story bro.
if you can't conjugate your thoughts without blurting out tired phrases from your favorite rage comics you're basically proclaiming to the world "hey y'all, look at me! i'm unintelligent!"
it's no different if you're spouting them to be a smartass on a post decrying memes, believe it or not. if you disagree and think memes are awesome, then say it. with, you know, words of your own. if this is really something debatable and contested (it isn't, or rather it shouldn't be) then there will never actually be any form of discussion on it if one side just shouts "Y U NO LIKE MEMES" at the other side and nothing else.
Why don't you use proper capitalization?
i don't use capitalization because, like a lot of writing, it's an affect used to imply a mood
or carelessness, to a degree, in the case of lowercase with no punctuation
my problem with memes is that it isn't used to imply carelessness, it is literally careless. it's used to evoke a mood that has been so oft- or over-evoked that it's been reduced to a hard little conceptual bullet. but i feel the bullet, unfortunately, has had all the meaning reduced out of it
What the heck are all of these words you're flinging at me?!
Get angry and challenge me to a duel or something!
repostin from my twitter
it's just language, I mean, it's kind of stupid, but they're just sign-signifiers. the problem is the signified is JOKE LAFF NOW
Hey, a post complaining about memes, time for me to spread my comic genius far and wide by NOT PREDICTABLY AT ALL, SERIOUSLY NOT PREDICTABLY replying with one of those memes being complained about! This is funny because
Does Juggernaut have to comment a b… anyways. When I see my adult friends using meme-speak or catch myself doing it, I do feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. Having recently watched Idiocracy again, it feels like people have seen it and are purposefully accelerating this mess to the day when their doctor tells them their shit is all fucked up and they're "tarded."
doh! Sorry for cussing. I was just saying "I agree"
ha ha, this guy don't care about cussing.
Quit crying about stupid stuff on the internet, or just get off of it!
Or…get off on it!
Er…isn't that what the internet's for?
Isn't that an Earth, Wind, and Fire song?
No, I don't think Earth, Wind and Fire wrote any songs about the internet…
How about we all stop taking the internet seriously.
Little did the foolish twitter folk know Kris is above the internet.
little did they know that i use the other internet, the one where we all speak eloquently and eat little cucumber sandwiches and there's no youtube
Is there tea?
I guess in the end it's just referencial humor. I don't typically care for it, and neither do most of the comedy-folk I follow, but a lot of people must. I suppose memes on the internet have just been refined to a point where there's one available as a response for any situation, where it's harder to slip a proper reference into conversation.
Oh, oops, your post was probably just chastisement, not a call for opinion. Sorry!
always room for opinions! i wouldn't have comments open if i didn't want them.
Thing about referential humour–as a big fan of it–is that it requires some semblance of cleverness and especially unexpectedness (unless one is incredibly skilled and can do the appropriate "obvious set-up" that operates on a certain KIND of expectation) to work.
Spewing the same exact phrases does not require cleverness, and they've saturated looooong past the unexpected part, so it's rather understandable that memes have basically stopped working. Except, I guess, for those who want jokes to be familiar and comfortable, or imagine that memes are less widespread than they actually are (I think a lot of people imagine themselves to be in a secret club, little realizing the Meme-Club has gotta be a couple hundred million strong at this point)
So you said you don't like something, and they immediately responded with that thing, but with no additional wit or joke beyond that.
Maybe we need a public service campaign : "The Internet : You don't HAVE to be a comedian!"
Or perhaps "The Internet : Actual humor takes effort!"
The sad thing is that people think that they're being "ironic" when they say these things. It's like the guy who, at any given concert, shouts "Freebird!". It doesn't matter how you contextualize or rationalize it in your head, you're still the dick shouting "Freebird!"
Kate Beaton is cute. She can memespeak as much as she wants around me…
It's dismissive and small to imply that anyone speaking to you in memespeak (or any other manner) is not talking to you like a human being.
It's the same stereotype that is made when people assume people who cuss to be less literate.
If you don't like memespeak, that's cool. Hate what you hate. But the comment lends itself to condescension when you implore people to "talk to [you] like [you're] a human being!"
See? That's a pretty good example of someone using memespeak wherein the user comes off as more clever, rather than less.
Referential humor, irony, hypocritical humor, quipping, mockery, sarcasm – All in two simple malformed words.
It didn't make you seem as if you were incapable of handling the conversation in another manner. It was commentary in condensed form.
but this isn't the context that most people USE memespeak in; it's rarely this clever.
Of course not. But to be derisive of something just because most people misuse it is, as I said, dismissive.
But it's not misuse, it's plain old abuse. Memes are rarely funny; even if they were, why do you need to use them all the time? Why talk to each other is needlessly constructed in-jokes, when you can just SAY WHAT YOU MEAN?
Memes are like when little kids laugh at words like "poop." Yes, the word can be funny. But just using it on its on gets old after a while. Same with memes. There is context in which they can be used; that context is always ironic and never in a normal conversation.
Okay then. To be derisive of something because most people abuse it is, as I said, dismissive.
Even in your example, substituting memes for the word "poop", you make the concession that the word can be funny. Therefore, it's not the word that carries with it an inherently unfunniness. Rather, it's that people would abuse the word that is unfunny.
But it's small and dismissive to be against something simply because people are using it wrong. Even if most people are using it wrong. It would be like hating jeans because a lot of people wear them down around their knees.
Again, I'm not saying that you can't hate what people do when they do it. I'm just saying that it's dismissive to be so general about it.
Oh, you used the same sarcastic reply twice to two different people. I think you must be angry. Are you angry, my brother?
U mad bro?
No. Your first interaction with “him” is a direct message which is also in the form of something you may recognize.
Memes are kind of modern poetry, a game where the goal is to match patterns so that an old message is read in a new way or so that the linguistic twist seems clever.
The content however is the same. There is no meaningful content distinction between “U MAD?” and “I find your distress amusing”. It is only a difference of style.
"Memes are kind of modern poetry" That's where I stopped reading.
That's where I started wondering if the comment was written by Vanderbeam.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Kris. I think there's a time and place for memes; one of those times is not in response to someone saying they dislike memespeak. Memes by themselves are funny for barely an hour before they get old. I do think it's interesting to see how a meme can be subverted, or how an advice dog iteration manifests itself, but even THAT can get repetitive. My main problem with memes is the way people go about referencing them: they always treat it like it's something original; like it hasn't been around for centuries (at least in internet time) and they AREN'T the first one to use it in the way that they are using it.
On the other hand, I try not to look down on my friends who use it, because I know they genuinely find it funny. I don't like faulting people for what they find funny (unless it's Carlos Mencia or something else horribly racist/sexist/unfunny).
My ex-boyfriend would often say "U MAD?" to me, in real life, to a point where any time I was upset over anything, that was his automatic response. There is DEFINITE difference between saying that and "I find your distress amusing." By simply saying "U MAD?" it allows the speaker to take no responsibility in enjoying your anger, as the sentence is technically a question, albeit an antagonistic one. Same with "cool story, bro." If you don't care about what I just said, then fucking say it and don't hide behind a dumb meme. You would illicit the same response by just responding with "k" but the former allows you to feel a masturbatory, self-satisfaction.
Memes, OCCASIONALLY, serve me in the same light as Family Guy would if I enjoyed watching it: a quick machine-gunning of humor.
I hesitate to say I appreciate memes more than I do Family Guy
This is why I like you. You're smart and not afraid to take people on. Moreover, memes are fucking terrible. They provide nothing, content wise. I think it comes from people (who aren't funny) wanting to be funny. If they spout off "jokes," they will get laughs, right? I would rather have them say something sincere than attempt to be funny, especially with a meme. Original thoughts are so much more refreshing.
At a point, they're not actual language; not an organization of letters and sounds and words to convey thought, but rather a single symbol by which a mood is invoked or a reaction is provoked. Almost like hieroglyphics. On a sadder level, it seems users try to use them as stimuli. I present you with this, and you're expected to laugh.
I get uncomfortable because now I feel that, especially as their popularity rises, I'm in a minority, and it's somehow *weird* or antisocial not to enjoy or use them.
oh no… wait. no. you can't cause an inner conflict within me. why ME? you just can't.
ok, man up. *slaps own face* get a hold on yourself. time to choose.
chainsawsuit, or memes.
at the end of this day, one shall stand.
i mean, i understand not liking memes. but for me, they just have undeniable, lighthearted humor. they're not meant to be looked at so seriously. looking at a meme through the lens of "what does this contribute to humanity" is the same as looking at fast food by asking "what is this putting into my body". the answer to both those questions is "shit". but it doesn't mean i can't enjoy my happy meal.
maybe i didn't make it clear enough
it's not that i hate memes, it's that i hate if you try to talk to me using only memes, as if i will accept the secret handshake. i have heard the memes and now i am hearing them again, they failed to make me laugh the other eighty or ninety times, i just wanted to know what your favorite cereal was
oh… i suppose that makes sense. except i have literally never heard of that (thus why i misunderstood). i've of course heard people use memes in conversation… but sparingly, when they made sense and everybody had a big laugh about it. who the hell has conversations using ONLY memes? yeah, that sounds terrible.
But specifically as "Kris Straub", capital K, capital S, there is no way that you will ever avoid this. You have a comic about sarcasm and irony and the internet and pop culture, and anyone who is a fan of yours will try to catch your attention by being as careless and/or self-referential and/or ironically funny as possible. I just don't think you'll get any real interactions with anyone tweeting you who you don't know in person. People will always think you'll appreciate jokes and irony over sincerity… unless you post a complaint about how no one is sincere, in which case you'll see a drove of people agreeing with you with sincerity. It all comes down to people wanting to be friends with you, and not knowing how.
Remember on a Daily Affirmation from a few years ago when Scott told the story about how people constantly would send him hateful emails about how his work was awful and how he was awful and bla bla bla? And then if he ever responded, they would say "OH! I didn't think you read your emails. I'm sorry man, I'm a huge fan." People knew that he reacted to vitriol and wanted his attention because they love him. Similarly, I think people will always make jokes with you because they love you and think that's what you notice. If that makes sense.
I agree with the conversation on the whole about Meme-speak as it is damaging to our culture, but I think also, you'll have more trouble than anyone trying to get sincere interactions on the internet. Not saying they won't occur, but if you get 1000 emails, 900 of them (let's say) will be sarcastic/ironic drivel.
I reread that post, and I want to make it clear that I'm not saying that those people are bad fans! I love chainsawsuit comment section; it makes me laugh all the time! Anyone who thinks chainsawsuit is funny is alright with me! I guess I was just trying to say, don't get down about it, because it's how people show you they care?
But that's where the disconnect is.
There's a difference in caring and actually crafting a response that shows genuine interest and using a tired, catch-all phrase that may address the responder's fondness and/or interest in a topic, but only at the most basic level. And even at that point, sometimes the basic sentiment is lost when the forced meme is of an ambiguous nature.
You can say that getting sincere interactions on the internet is very troublesome, but I disagree. There are plenty of people that are great at concentrating their thoughts into a post and not relinquishing themselves into thoughtless drivel. This post's comment section, by and large, has been a fine example of those willing to express themselves in a more descriptive fashion.
Memes have their place, like on image macros, or maybe the occasional "feels good man" when discussing something that makes a person happy or accomplished. But really, outside of a few cheap laughs here and there, it's not suited for everyday conversation.
I think Twitter is partly at fault as well. Bite-sized pieces of information like what are posted there are well positioned to fall into that trap, as it's usually more about throwing an idea or phrase out there more so than actually creating a dialogue that sparks creative thinking. Of course, you'll have exceptions to the rule, but the number of exceptions is far outweighed by examples that support my statement.
I like to think of Twitter more as a news feed, as it's really the only reason I ever check it out…I don't even have an account that I actively use.
I suppose you're right, but I'm saying Kris may find more people using memespeak in what they think is an ironic way in an effort to communicate the sentiment: "We both agree with eachother, memespeak is dumb, and I'm showing that I agree by using memespeak as an inappropriate response to your post." Trying to over-do it is what I'm saying. They won't realize that he may be sick of it, regardless of whether they're poking fun at memes or not.
I really think you're right that this comment thread is a great example of people being sincere, and I realize my first post didn't properly point that out. I was trying to speak to the blurred out tweets he posted in the image specifically. Those people were trying to make him laugh, whether they think memespeak is funny, or whether they think memespeak is dumb, so let's all make fun of memespeak. I think his frustration is warranted, but I also think that he might misinterpret some people as being dumb when they just think he craves jokes as opposed to sincerity.
The issue isn't memespeak, it's that many people aren't funny and don't seem to realize it.